WASHINGTON (AP) 鈥� defended his investigations of President Donald Trump at a congressional hearing Thursday in which he insisted that he had acted without regard to politics and had no second thoughts about the criminal charges he brought.
鈥淣o one should be above the law in our country, and the law required that he be held to account. So that is what I did,鈥� Smith said of Trump.
Smith last month but returned to the House Judiciary Committee for a public hearing that provided the prosecutor with a forum to address Congress and the country more generally about the breadth of evidence he collected during investigations that shadowed Trump during the 2024 presidential campaign and resulted in indictments. The hourslong hearing immediately split along partisan lines as Republican lawmakers sought to undermine the former Justice Department official while Democrats tried to elicit damaging testimony about Trump’s conduct and accused their GOP counterparts of attempting to rewrite history.
鈥淚t was always about politics,鈥� said Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, the committee’s Republican chairman.
鈥淢aybe for them,鈥� retorted Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin, referring to Republicans. 鈥淏ut, for us, it鈥檚 all about the rule of law.鈥�
The hearing was on the mind of Trump himself as he traveled back from in Davos, Switzerland, with the president posting on his Truth Social account that 鈥淒eranged Jack Smith should be prosecuted for his actions鈥� and asserting without any evidence that the prosecutor had committed perjury.
Smith told lawmakers that he stood behind his decisions as special counsel to bring charges against Trump in separate cases that accused the Republican of after he lost to Democrat Joe Biden and at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, after he left the White House.
鈥淥ur investigation developed proof beyond a reasonable doubt that President Trump engaged in criminal activity,鈥� Smith said. 鈥淚f asked whether to prosecute a former president based on the same facts today, I would do so regardless of whether that president was a Republican or a Democrat.鈥�
Republicans and Smith spar over phone records
Republicans from the outset sought to portray Smith as an overly aggressive, hard-charging prosecutor who had to be 鈥渞eined in鈥� by higher-ups and the courts as he investigated Trump. They seized on revelations that the Smith team had subpoenaed the phone records of a group of Republican lawmakers.
The records revealed the incoming and outgoing phone numbers as well as the duration of the calls but not the content of the communications, but Rep. Brandon Gill, a Texas Republican, said the episode showed how Smith had 鈥渨alked all over the Constitution.鈥�
Smith has repeatedly justified the move as necessary to document any contact that Trump or surrogates may have had with lawmakers on Jan. 6, 2021 鈥攖he day Trump鈥檚 鈥� as he beseeched them to halt the certification of the election results.
鈥淢y office didn鈥檛 spy on anyone,鈥� Smith said, explaining that collecting phone records is a common prosecutorial tactic and was essential in this instance to help prosecutors understand the scope of the conspiracy.
Smith describes a wide-ranging conspiracy on 2020
Under questioning, Smith described what he said was a wide-ranging conspiracy to overturn the results of the election and recounted how the Republican refused to listen to advisers who told him that the contest had in fact not been stolen. After he was charged, Smith said, Trump tried to silence and intimidate potential witnesses against him.
Smith said one reason he felt confident in the strength of the case that prosecutors had prepared to take to trial was the extent to which it relied on Republican supporters of Trump.
鈥淪ome of the most powerful witnesses were witnesses who, in fact, were fellow Republicans who had voted for Donald Trump, who had campaigned for him and who wanted him to win the election,鈥� Smith said.
Smith was by Biden鈥檚 Justice Department to oversee investigations into Trump, who has denied any wrongdoing. Both investigations produced indictments against Trump, but by Smith and his team after Trump won back the White House because of longstanding Justice Department legal opinions that say sitting presidents cannot be indicted.
The hearing unfolded against the backdrop of an ongoing Trump administration retribution campaign targeting the investigators who scrutinized the Republican president and amid mounting alarm that the Justice Department’s institutional independence is eroding under the sway of the president.
In a nod to those concerns, Smith said, 鈥淢y belief is that if we do not hold the most powerful people in our society to the same standards 鈥� the rule of law 鈥� it can be catastrophic because, if they don’t have to follow the law, it’s very easy for people to understand why they don’t have to follow the law.”
Rep. Becca Balint, a Vermont Democrat, also asked Smith at one point if he was concerned the Trump administration would try to prosecute him.
Smith responded: 鈥淚 believe they will do everything in their power to do that because they鈥檝e been ordered to by the president.鈥�
GOP says Smith wanted to wreck Trump’s White House bid
Republicans, for their part, repeatedly denounced Smith, with Rep. Kevin Kiley of California accusing him of seeking 鈥渕aximum litigation advantage at every turn鈥� and 鈥渃ircumventing constitutional limitations to the point that you had to be reined in again and again throughout the process.鈥�
Another Republican lawmaker, Rep. Ben Cline of Virginia, challenged Smith on his to restrict Trump from making incendiary comments about prosecutors, potential witnesses and other people involved in the case. Smith said the order was necessary because of Trump’s efforts to intimidate witnesses, but Cline asserted that it was meant to silence Trump in the heat of the presidential campaign.
And Jordan, the committee chairman, advanced a frequent Trump talking point that the investigation was driven by a desire to derail Trump’s candidacy.
鈥淲e should never forget what took place, what they did to the guy we, the people, elected twice,鈥� Jordan said.
Smith vigorously rejected those suggestions and said the evidence placed Trump鈥檚 actions squarely at the heart of a criminal conspiracy to undo the 2020 election.
鈥淥ur investigation revealed that Donald Trump is the person who caused Jan. 6, it was foreseeable to him and that he sought to exploit the violence,” he said.
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Associated Press writer Joey Cappelletti in Washington contributed to this report.
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